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for the greek government they had passed very unpopular austerity measures you can hope to return their begetting guarantees today that another much needed bailed out that's required to repay their march of debt so they have been sticking their neck out alone on this issue because it's one that's very unpopular with the greek population is alienation which result is a little clashing with police violence and injuries also disruption to the capital for the protest itself wasn't just restricted to the public we saw in parliament politicians well forty three the ruling coalition choosing to vote no to further their tea measure is this something now that really isn't that popular politicians all the public do you get the impression we speak to greeks here in the capsule a growing sense of resentment of how they're being treated what they'll be made to do by the euro zone by the e.u. and i.m.f. we've heard the head of public order here coming out today. and saying that what europe is doing them over they're not really acting very responsibly to do word at
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the moment which is to fall to a greek default and exit from the euro zone what's being talked about increasingly by greek politicians the public also boy those eurozone leaders not really not instilling any sense of confidence here. when america it's been a tough first day for talks for china's vice president and leader and waiting sheeting ping's american colleagues began by voicing disappointment with beijing's economic policies and ended with its stance on syria criticism was also level that china over its copyright in force when a human rights record which the visiting vice president of those free apart from the brains exchange of the day was largely ceremonial as american leaders sign stuff changing thing the man why the trip to be to lead i should say beijing over the next decade party is christine for us our reports now on the rocky relationship between the two economic giants. he loves me lets me know
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that age old question is one china at least has every right to ask for guarding its relationship with the united states just in the last three years china has been winding down i. praised and envied for its ability to do whatever it wants to right now china the government can disconnect parts of its internet in the case of war we need to have the chinese p.z. row capital gains tax folks in congress are also going to get a chance to decide later. in the month whether our construction workers should sit around doing nothing while china builds the best railroads the best schools the best airports. in the world but it turns out those chocolate covered compliments seem to come just as frequently as those cold hearted criticisms and it's not just the president himself those hoping to take his job also tend to flip flop these guys around for this and that and that and looking for ways to. get to work to
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harness china there's a lot of there is they want to see it succeeded thrive so we could buy more chinese products ivan eland senior fellow at the independent institute says the paradox transcends the rhetoric we borrow a lot of money from china too so it's quite a curious thing that we're really borrowing money to pay for defending other countries from china right i mean that's what really doing in life and love there appears to be a fine line between resentment and respect i want to be china i want to go to war with china and make america the most attractive place in the world to do business if you look at china they're in a very different such as they say for their own retirement security they don't have the f.t.c. they don't have the modern welfare state and china's growing it's that growth and the sharing is caring relationship that has bound these countries in this holy union this trade an economic interdependence with china is really
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a defining factor and perhaps like most relationships there's nothing simple about the one between the u.s. and china there are disagreements about who gets to lead when how to spend the money and how to raise the children but the fact is this relationship is one that's going to be around for generations to come in washington christine prison r t. well paul craig roberts who served in the president reagan's administration says that u.s. desperation to stall china's rapid rise could prove costly. the united states has is responding to china in two ways one it's trying to reduce china's independent access to oil and the united states is responding to china also with increased military presence the united states says that the south china sea is an area of national interest to the united states their course that doesn't make
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any sense it's like china saying the gulf of mexico is an area of national interest to china so the united states is asserting that chinese territorial wars aren't a matter of national interest to washington so i think these types of. militaristic statements. encourage china to build up its military and so the americans to sensibly maybe trying to start another arms race. well you can log onto our website anytime you buy for the latest news and videos that's our t.v. dot com here's a look at what's just a click away for you right now bug area is now in the six nations to stall progress of the international copyright protection agreement or act sponsored by washington find out why more and more governments are choosing to take or you turn on
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restrictions. and the rebirth of a legend russia's iconic kalashnikov rifle may be given an honorable discharge the veteran weapon makes way for any newer model. turkey has no plans to consider alternative oil suppliers and will continue to import fuel from iran and despite the country's nato membership banker officials have firmly disapproved of calls for a strike against tehran and are reluctant to go along with what iran sees as western economic bullying jihan news agency chief abdulla hommage. bill deci says anti iran hysteria arms harms the entire region. it will be a very important headache for turkey because turkey is part of nato and because of that turkey has certain responsibilities it's very difficult to get a settlement to get a solution by attacking iran which is more than eighty million population
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big country but as far as i know the current israeli government are not helping to find a peaceful solution to the crisis i see that unfortunately it helps and the tension helps move and for the world to see the sponsibility to push the lunatic me as far as possible in order to get rid of the possibility that we have another war in the middle east which would be detrimental for all of us let's get the latest from the business desk now with marina. hello and welcome to business here on r t now the latest short term drops of russian gas supply to europe spurred discussions on the how to secure consumers from possible cuts in the future well the head of gas from the expo brush alexander
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madrid of says one of the ways is to increase storage capacities in the region for each is a key element for security of supply for extreme situations like. this winter so that's where we're repros a program. to. experience . between two hundred to three hundred million euros in the next five years to secure the o'briens. and the destiny of russia's second subsea gasoline to europe will be the side of this autumn the country's gas anomaly gas from says there will be from a final investment decision on south stream in the the pipeline will deliver gas to your bypass in transit countries such as ukraine and that is currently expected to become created in two thousand and fifteen. well let's take a look at the markets now will start with exchange rates the euro is gaining just
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a little bit against the dollar after seeing some losses on tuesday and the ruble is higher against both the european and the u.s. currencies following gains on the russian market. this is a look at crude prices today are royson after european leaders pushed greece for stronger commitments to an austerity package in return for second bailout is in concerns over the region's debt crisis which maker of demand for oil sun crude lawyer light sweet is currently trading at over one hundred one dollars per barrel while brant blend is just under one hundred eighteen dollars per barrel. look at what's happened in europe markets there have shaken off news that it's early and another ones are back in recession for the second time in the last three years instead markets are up on strong corporate results and encouraging comments from trying the central bank chief the footsies are gaining over one percent in fact the dax is getting over one percent on wednesday and the footsies gaining a quarter of a percent now let's move on to russia on the markets here also in positive
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territory both the r.t.s. and the why stocks are adding around one percent let's move on and look at the in the movers on the my sex most of the blue chips are higher the sourest burbank is no exception of course that's because it's expected to finalize a deal to buy east european international later in the day well majors are also the run is supported by strong crude. oil in seven percent the sour and truck maker kamaz is also higher but not as much as it was adding on the tuesday when we saw a thirteen percent jump. in other news no school could soon assume mass car production in the city the capital as authorities say they are negotiating with its lease and number of korean carmakers to set up production at the plants of truck makers ill city hall plans to turn the facility which used to produce armored cars for soviet leaders into an innovative production platform. but that's all business looks the sour the headlines are next for the.
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culture is the same of you are going to fight you no longer any one of them yourselves weren't trying to take your pick oh my one of them alvin britain and argentina reagan sparring over the legal status and future of these islands is this disputed. any match once lived is bound.
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to burn for ever more eternal fire is gone think about what possible future. do we all want to see this on forever. here with r t live from moscow our top stories syria announces a referendum on a new constitution to take place in less than two weeks but as fighting goes on not everyone in gauged in the conflict seems willing to look for peace. rallies to mark the anniversary of approaching mockers the uprising in bahrain are put down with tactics and weapons from the u.k. sparking claims of western policy over different revolts in the region. and sizing up rivals u.s.
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leaders on the smiles for china's visiting vice president and leader in waiting as the two nations vie for the upper hand in a turbulent relationship. next on our t's crossed talk with peter the value of his gas discuss the strained relations between argentina and britain over the falkland islands. hello and welcome to crossfire time people about take your pick the falkland islands or the melvina britain and argentina are again sparring over the legal status and future of these islands is this dispute about self-determination and sovereignty or one of the last vestiges of british imperialism. still. to cross-talk the endless dispute over these
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islands i'm joined by my guest in washington larry burns he is the director of the council on hemispheric affairs alex gibson he's a fulbright scholar specializing in contemporary argentinian politics and a research associate at the council on hemispheric affairs and luke coffey he's a fellow in the margaret thatcher center for freedom at heritage all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect it means you can jump in anytime you want larry i want to go to you first here over the last few weeks and months we've seen a ratcheting up of tensions between britain and argentina over these islands the islands that these two countries fought a war over thirty years ago what's in play here what what we should be worried about the tensions here or is this something of a function of domestic politics in both countries. well probably a combination of all of those things i think that the the real danger that lies at the bottom of this whole issue is is an accident or some kind of unplanned development that may deteriorate into. a shooting conflict
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but the both the auction time military and the british military are really in no shape to. fight a war that's thousands of miles separating the disputants and oh so it's very different that much of the motivation behind this conflict is there to ration of domestic conditions in argentina which was the same explanation for why the war in one thousand nine hundred two broke out that is the military which ruled the country in argentina at the time was. gay gene corruption and deep cation of funds and the government needed some kind of great patriotic issue to. pull the nation together roughly speaking the same sort of thing is happening now and i think that is part of the explanation for
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what we're now seeing ok if i'm going to look i think it's very interesting here in britain most people don't really care much about the what they call the falkland islands and i mean of course that there was there was patriotic on the side of the the brits thirty years ago but it's not really a big issue and people aren't sitting in pubs talking about these islands but they are in argentina is that isn't that kind of a risk too and it seems odd if it people in britain don't care about it why does the british government care so much about it well i would have to say that your average person on the streets in great britain don't care much about the issues surrounding the falkland islands and made an issue by the argentinians. we saw that the front page of the sun newspaper today in britain had shown pin's remarks. during his recent visit in the falklands so i think i think you're absolutely right about the political classes care a great bit about the falkland islands and britain sovereignty over those islands
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and i think the reason is because no british government could ever survive losing the falkland islands ok alex that's that's rather peculiar too because i mean there's so much as it riskier i mean britain and argentina these are important countries and they should have good relations why is it isn't it with their risk for the british to put so much into this bad relationship over what three thousand people whose claim of self-determination is a bit dubious at best. if i can just quickly respond to mr burns point first and then get to luke and yourself we should be careful first about drawing parallels between the ninety two situation between argentina and britain and what we see today because as mr resolute two one thing that should ring very clear here is that no one's going to war in both countries know this so what's what's really really important question to get at here is what are the underlying motives why are we talking about this now rather than just the fact that it's the thirtieth
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anniversary of the conflict getting to this point about about the importance of the falklands to britain and well let me in let me add on that a bit to argentina i think the question of survival is a bit extreme i think anyone would acknowledge that and britain would be absolutely fine with out without the falklands under their sovereign control but what would pose an even greater problem is the is if argentina were to continue on the track with this relationship with the falklands now what i mean is without some sort of sovereignty or at the very least nick sovereignty very basic things like trade agreements between the falklands in argentina is just the effect of their geographical location is going to make it difficult to sustain a puzzle relationship not just for argentina but for those cultures which are what the falkland islanders are called one final point here and quickly also. the main thing to remember about all of this is. this this isn't an issue that's
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going on like i said before is going to escalate and into conflict it's a political issue but it's also something that's at the core of argentina identity these these islands have been under argentina's claim since before its independence this is not just something that came off as a whim argentina leaves at these islands belong to them and has felt that for over a century so i think we have to look at the deeper issues underlying this rather than just the political agree if we're going to larry i mean. ok ok look but for many in south america this is just a colonial and you two it's a colonial issue for a lot of people in south america right go ahead well well yeah. so far as the argentinians would like to call it is the three thousand british citizens and her majesty's subjects currently living peacefully in these islands that want to go back to a point alex smith i think you misunderstood me slightly when i was saying that the issue about survival is not the great britain as a nation can survive with the loss of the falkland islands i was saying that the
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government of the day would fall if the falkland islands were ever taken now i do agree with you know there's not going to be a military there's not going to be military answer to this this is going to be resolved peacefully and me and i firmly believe ok look if i can stay with you it's been thirty years so why hasn't it been resolved and it looks like nobody on either side wants to resolve it well as far as the british government is concerned the situation is resolved they've made very clear that. it's a matter of self-determination is clearly a line in the un charter and that is so long as the people of the falkland islands want to remain british they shall remain british and this is a very simple the simple fact that people in the falklands want to be british ok i don't want to be arnold and i don't think it is that simple go to larry here i mean this is not indigenous people to these islands are they and this is what the argentine position is ok what is how strong is their claim to self-determination if
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they're not indigenous to the island and as a matter of fact i mean i read somewhere was that only forty percent of the population there is lived there for ten years what kind of self-determination is that. well trace of paternity of a lot of countries a lot of civilizations you may find kind of a murky antecedents but the interesting thing is of course the british had no difficulty in liquidating a vast empire its empire today consists of christian to. other falklands bermuda and a couple of other islands here and there so this is not exactly a country that's dedicated to colonialism or can you find an explanation of why this is happening in such a simplistic explanation as clueless and i think really what it is is that. in both countries the issue is become wrapped in symbolism
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and there also is another issue here and that is what really brought argentina into the falkland war in one thousand eight hundred two and why is it posturing again right now i think the beginning of a discussion is we don't really know all the facts of the matter for example i would like to know why in general vernon walters was in the argentine military club when the issue is being of invading the falklands was discussed the being discussed and everyone turned to general walters who is raked president reagan's emissary from the united states and he simply shrugged this was taken interpreted by the argentine military as an ascent to archaeology and tyrants or were about to do and we also had ambassador jean kirkpatrick that evening the evening of the invasion which at the auction kind embassy in washington she knew the invasion was
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going to take place why was she there. i think that the argentine government has a point. body called the rotten back commission which is looking into these matters but this war this conflict this issue has an extraordinary potential for being explosive not because of rich and heron importance but because of the emotionality you catch the issue on both sides ok alex what about the issue of self-determination i mean how strong do you think the case is for the people who live on the island for self-determination well i think. argentina has a very long history of angle argentine relations and not just that but english heritage within argentina there's no reason why the islanders the people who live on the island can't live peacefully independently within the sovereignty of
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argentina i mean if you look at argentina today has had to go new and also it's there give me that they want to be british subjects ok well look you bring up a good point why you want to be british such as it can be why can't they just be british subjects within the sovereignty of argentina. what's wrong with that well they were under the cyber control of argentina they would be british subjects. like it's very clear that some determination is based around the idea that these people are living in the falkland islands today and want to be british now this argument that they're not indigenous population well there's never been an indigenous population on the falkland islands ever in fact the closest thing we have to an indigenous population is what we have there today you're correct in saying that you know roughly forty percent of these people may have lived in the falklands for less than ten years i'm not sure those facts but that sounds about right but i mean sixty person have lived there longer and some of them have been there for generations so quite clearly this is
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a matter of self-determination for the people of the falkland islands wanting to remain british now large and tina needs to do is if they if they think they have a solution to this problem they need to say what they would do with the three thousand people living on these islands who wish to remain british if these islands were to go back on or go back into argentine control all right let me jump in guys we're going to go to a break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the future of the south atlantic island state party.
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resistance is not the politics but a culture. this could be. some. cultures of resistance on the march. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hardy welcome to the big picture.
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and you can see. the full. welcome back to cross talk i'm peter lavelle remind you we're talking about what the british call default when i. mean you can say. ok alex and i we were talking about the issue of self-determination and and researching this program here i'm going to i'm not an international lawyer but you know it it seems like the they are sometimes have a pretty strong case for the sovereignty over the falkland islands i mean in many many ways and it was that they were themselves a colony of the spanish so i mean you know it is this this is not helping either side because either side is very rigid on that but they do have still a very strong case. yes i believe they do and i want to make it clear i'm not a nut rallying for the falkland cause either i like to look at this of the
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perspective of a journalist but i'd be very happy to outline the arguments in argentina's favor and i think the biggest one just to respond to what luke was saying a moment ago the three thousand islanders that want to become british we should certainly respect that we should hear them and respect their their desires but also recognise the basic facts twelve million argentines to three thousand people who live on a colonial vest each is not exactly equal in terms of of what they're both of the weight of both causes what we have right now is a falkland fortress and the question is do we want to continue that you can you know cameron can keep sending out as many elite destroyers as he'd like but it seems a bit counterproductive and what we should really be looking at here again are the velvety of argentina's claims which as you alluded to go far back both historically and also the importance of the geographic claims the resources surrounding the
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fucking ok i want to i want to get to the one i want to get to the royal issue i want to actually shoot a second you can jump in go ahead. city firstly that they don't want to become british that they are british in terms of the the history of who is had control of the falkland islands you made the point that the the spanish had the falkland islands or anything or control but the last spanish settlement actually left an eighteen eleven and i believe that the argentine declared independence from the spanish in eight hundred sixteen so at the time of this the argentine declared independence from spain no one had defacto control over the falklands and it wasn't till eight hundred thirty three with a major british settlement that really became permanent around eight hundred thirty eight that the falkland islands were actually settled by anyone and this argument about a geographical location is i'm sorry holds no water at all because look at canary islands for example then morocco would.


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